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Prepping => Medical/First Aid/Health => Topic started by: Lilburner on July 02, 2020, 03:09:09 PM
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I'm missing a big piece of the puzzle, apparently.
Every day I see more new cases spiking. More shutdowns. More mask regulations.
You know what I'm not hearing about? People dying. Hospitals being overrun.
I get that increased testing makes the numbers go up, but fine, maybe the numbers are rising organically as well.
Is it weakening? Maybe mutated somehow?
Or am I missing something entirely?
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You're not missing anything.
I think it's mostly a function of testing, media hype and yes, some of the re-opening and protests with people just sick to death of the mask Nazis. The death rates are still going down in most areas.
I think it's time to give up the fearmongering, we can't stay inside for the rest of our lives and it's going to spread no matter what we do. Precautions, yes, and more than what we're used to with seasonal flu but still, it's going to be a part of our lives forever.
IMO
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aIt would be a shame, if we took all those precautions in Mar/Apr., then let our guards down when it hit the worse part of phase one. We have been watching San Antonio, and its statistics. The Dr.s seem to be genuine, in their concerns and reactions. Atlanta could be next, we opened before the curve was flat, just like they did.
No one is sicker of this thing than we are. We started early, and stayed in for six weeks at a time, then leaving for supplies, which were brought out to our car, just like we are doing tonight.
Life is short, we can not hide forever. Will we feel really stupid if we land in the E.R. and take six weeks to recover.....saying that we do recover? This is a very personal choice and a very personal risk. That having been said, if we are carless around others who did not sign up for our way (or someone's way) of thinking, how would we feel? We could probably feel just fine, because we would not know what we had inadvertently done. With that, Happy Fourth everyone, as we watch our history being destroyed by idiots who don't even read.... And yes, I am in a pissy mood....
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States experiencing this surge began reopening two months ago, including Florida, Texas, and Arizona. With a coronavirus incubation period of 5-6 days, according to the World Health Organization, any surge due to reopening should have occurred a week or two after states reopened, not two months later.
Not mentioned are the BLM protests, all within the past month. Mass gatherings in many U.S. cities, without masks or social distancing, everything the basketball player and scarf queen warned against, are far more likely the cause of increasing positive tests.
The CDC director recommended protesters get tested for COVID and likely many did, driving up the case numbers or so-called surge. Most infected young people are asymptomatic, especially teenagers where about 80 percent of those infected show no symptoms.
It’s young people out protesting, not senior citizens. Ignoring distancing and mask recommendations, many get infected, then tested, and voila, we see a surge in cases. Don’t forget the George Floyd funeral in Houston with over 6,300 attendees and over 60,000 marching, without distancing. Could this have contributed to the Texas surge?
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/_is_the_covid_surge_more_fake_news.html
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The reason I ask is multifold.
Not hearing about people dying. What's happening to them? Are they asymptomatic? Briefly ill? Getting treatment?
Is it in a weak state, and if so, will it come back stronger in the fall?
Because if it's NOT currently fatal, but is going to COME BACK fatal...
I want to take a bath in it.
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Lilburner, We know of two healthy people, both almost 80, but very active, that died. Our son, who is 50 had it, and is functioning o.k., as far as we know. One young man that lives near us, still has some issues with his lungs and he had it months ago. He is nineteen. That is all we know about it, other than what you see on TV. No one in our church has had it, but it is a small country church. There are cases in the hospital here, and the majority of the ICU is Covid-19, again, small town.
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Considering that some of the current 'experts' spouting their opinions or best guesses: 1) don't even agree with each other 2) have been wrong from darn near day one 3) have repeatedly changed their minds, their advice and their predictions AND 4) are screwing around with us on the pharmaceuticals, I wouldn't believe any of them no matter what they say they THINK it's going to do!
You can't even find that all front line DOCTORS who are actually living through this have the same experiences. It varies greatly within in each state. Remember, multiple tests on the same person are being reported as new cases in most of the 'surging' states, as they retest you before declaring you 'recovered'. Plus counting anyone who died of anything but HAD it, as a COVID death.
Seems to me that all we can do is roll all this (mis)info into a ball and spit on it, then be prepared for ANYTHING. And use our own best judgements. Abigayle wants to stay home, I don't. Nor do I always wear a mask - if there's only 5 of us in a store and distancing is followed, I don't - but I always have one handy.
I know exactly ONE person who got it, she's in her mid 50's with 3 underlying conditions, never needed hospitalization but was pretty much in bed for 3 weeks. They have no clue where she got it from as she's been home since February. Hubs & son work but they never got sick. She is recovering. Sounds like what I had in early November....I'm still trying to decide if I want to ask for the antibody test when I see my doc for routine stuff next week.
PS - It was horrible to not be able to hug my long haul driver brother when he came to visit me today.
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Star Lady, one correction, as I agree with most of what you are saying. Not sure that they are counting people twice, you may be right. I do not want to stay home. Thor is 79 years old with kidney issues. I want to keep him around awhile....
Say we got this thing, and it was me in bed for three weeks. I am pretty healthy, but in my 70's. Thor could not handle this place by himself. If our granddaughter is here at the time, that will help, but food would not get put up and other chores could go undone (trust me on this one...). So the risk, exp. during harvest time is too great, just to have lunch with friends, which I would love to do. Our Thurs night group still meets without us. I am sick to death of this. I enjoy people and a good laugh. We are blessed to have a very nice living environment, with over eleven acres with nice trees and a pond. If we were in town, I might be saying "just take me now"... Numbers doubled this week, and this is summer! Going to wait and see, no real choice here...
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At first it was the death rate, so stay in. Then it was flatten the curve so the hospitals will not be over whelmed. Now it is just stay home to keep safe. I say your going to get it anyway, might as well get it over with. What I did was pump up my immune system and take quinine. Then I went to my Doctor when my check up appointment arrived. 5 days later I did not feel good and took a long nap after lunch. I did not think anything of it until 5 days later the wife got sick with the classic symptoms. She would not take any quinine. She was better in 2 days. So what I say is prepare, get it over with and go about your business!
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Not sure how good this guy's info is but this is astounding! I do know of a study done about 7-8 years ago where people who did the family laundry tested positive for minute particles of fecal matter on their hands, so I tend believe the other referenced studies are true.
And just to get your interest, here's a short quote:
Italian sewage water samples showed it was circulating since December 18, 2019. Spain also did a check and dug it up from March 12, 2019.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/38846883?fbclid=IwAR3zYG_F0ul8ojL-LXDEuKjghC6opjd-_JNuxhv1TXng-kCS1Y58pLWXymc
Abigayle - several states have ADMITTED the duplication when caught and promised to correct it. This just came out last week! Whatever your reasoning, you do want to stay home....and I don't condemn you or anyone else for it at all. Using our best judgement is all we can do.
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Interesting take from a doctor on my observations.
Pretty heady stuff. I don't understand it all, but short version seems to be "No. It's not less deadly".
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1278750652160634880.html
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I'll see if I can locate a semi-recent graph that shows overall deaths from previous Junes and this June. Deaths overall were increased. So, no matter how the covid numbers are padded, one could theoretically subtract the avg deaths for this time frame from this year's time frame to come up with a more realistic covid death count. I'll try to do it today but likely tomorrow when MrBeans is at work.
Unfortunately, it appears MrBean's ex-m-i-l (whom we are close to) is about to succumb to covid. Ex-f-i-l is also in hospital with it but is doing much better since pacemaker put in. He actually came off his ventilator. Five other family members including our pregnant Bean-in-law1 all tested positive after a family-only baby shower... all had varying degrees of severity, ranging from sniffles to developing (true) pneumonia (hospitalized, no vent, discharged, and better now).
However, we suddenly have friends and family alike blowing me up wanting to either buy my thieves salve or wanna know how to make it cause everyone who was exposed at the shower that uses the thieves didn't contract it.
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8GB that's great info. I'll tell my nice since my sister has already had this but is still in the nursing home and it's not certain if she'll get it again.
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8 Beans "Thieves Salve"? I make Rosemary Gladstars liquid, it takes a month to set. Didn't know there was a salve? Have you shared it on here somewhere?
Glad your family is on the mend or has eluded being captured by the virus all together!
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I just mix thieves oil in a cooled naked salve to make the thieves salve. I had to do something for MrBeans to keep on his desk at work that wasn't messy like the jars of oil we used before I made the salve. Easy peasy.
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It's worth a look at the whole page. I don't have the time I'd like to download specific graphs but y'all are smart and can fiddle around finding stuff - I believe in you!
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard
Here are a couple graphs attached though. Numbers are for the US on these 2 graphs. One graph shows way more years but also has predictive numbers on it, so gotta filter the info.
The sharp decline in the first graph may not be completely accurate since deaths (of any kind) are not reported to the agency in real time but over the course of time. It'll be interesting to look back on these graphs over time.
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Well it looks like if your a lawmaker, judge, or government employees while “on duty” you can't catch Covid-19. Who knew this virus was that smart.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/23/dc-mask-mandate-exempts-lawmakers-government-employees/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/23/dc-mask-mandate-exempts-lawmakers-government-employees/)
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Ok .... Im no medical doctor.... Im not and EMT..... but I know that this virus is a tricky SOB.... I work in a school where the students are dormed in together.... they take their masks off to eat together... then they try to separate them in the classrooms in the name of social distancing. Wow this thing is so F***ing smart.... I dont know how humans have beat it this far. P.S. the survivability rate for this sickness is over 90% ..... How will we ever beat this illness.
The common ordinary flu will kill more people in the next 12 months... but no one is raising an eyebrow over that....
Wake up we are being misled... we are being lied to...they are giving us a false narrative...
P.S. I am a contractor at an ARMY school.... I pack 20 students into a room ... 5 night a week.... no one is getting sick... and the command is looking the other way on all the rules that the CDC and the INTELLIGENT folks are talking about.....
The ARMY / MILITARY are the best examples to follow.... if they arent getting sick and keeling over dead,,, we need to be doing whatever they are doing.... that seems to be what is working......
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By the numbers our CDC reports new numbers !
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/
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It would have been nice if the author (who is the brother of the GP founder) provided some detail. I can't find anything on the CDC site even remotely near those numbers.
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Looks like the CDC is finally recoginzing they have been misleading the country. They have decided to update the numbers and correct the fabricated lies.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/
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Another CDC chart. Starlady, there is a link to the CDC site chart at the end of this article.
COVID CRASH: Here’s The Incredible Chart The MSM Doesn’t Want You To See
By Eric A. Blair
Published August 31, 2020 at 2:15pm
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/covid-crash-incredible-chart-msm-doesnt-want-see/
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I finally found it through someone else yesterday. As usual, overly dramatic interpretation by Gateway Pundit IMO. The key word is 'alone'. There's not hardly a person over 50 who doesn't have a co-morbid condition whether it's obesity (technically that's just 25lbs overweight), asthma, high blood pressure, diabetes or high cholesterol with millions of them walking around having a perfectly normal life. Half the country is overweight! And I truly don't like the way the original writer classified so many as 'elderly anyway'. Like they were going to die any minute, so they don't count.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree we are being lied to by incompetent morons who seem to want the spotlight more than they want to do science or listen to the ones who are 'in the field'.
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The other thing also is that the immune system gets cranked up so high it attack the kidneys,liver and other vital organs which start to fail. These failures can also be counted as co-morbid conditions.
We were told back in Feb & March that when it warmed up the virus would receed but would come back again when cold returns. I am taking the warm weather as an opportunity to get done what I want before cold returns. That means camping and lots of it ! now that the garden is done for the Summer.
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My Neighborhood app is not publishing the state's weekly COVID-19 numbers anymore, but provided the link to the state's dedicated data hub for those who wanted to check it going forward. I apologize if I missed this being posted before, but I found it helpful.
9/11/2020 Additionsl comment:
If you roll almost all the way down this webpage, it shows maps for AL, NC, SC, TN, and a SE regional map that includes FL.
https://covid-hub.gio.georgia.gov (https://covid-hub.gio.georgia.gov)
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Just because your lungs have cleared up does not mean you are over Covid-19
A February study of 73 patients hospitalized with the coronavirus in China’s Guangdong province found more than half tested positive for the virus in their stool
The Hong Kong scientists studied stool samples from 15 patients to better understand the virus’s activity in the gastrointestinal tract. They found active gut infection in seven patients, some of whom had no nausea, diarrhea or other digestive symptoms. Three patients continued to display active viral infection as long as six days after their respiratory samples tested negative for Covid-19.
https://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/covid-patients-gutinfection/2020/09/07/id/985651/
You should continue to drink tonic water for 5 to 7 days after symptoms are gone! or take hydroxychloroquine.
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That is really worrisome. I would think that they have done studies on other virus' and flu. How would this one compare to those? I still think they were creating this virus to unleash on us and it got away from them. It possesses some very strange qualities.
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Chinese virologist clams she will publish evidence coronavirus was manmade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8722519/Virologist-claims-publish-evidence-PROVING-coronavirus-manmade.html
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Chinese virologist clams she will publish evidence coronavirus was manmade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8722519/Virologist-claims-publish-evidence-PROVING-coronavirus-manmade.html
If she is still alive!
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Covid-19 vaccine trial participant had serious neurological symptoms, but could be discharged today, AstraZeneca CEO says.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/
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Chinese Virologist Flees Communist Country…Claims She Has Evidence COVID-19 Was Manmade In Wuhan Lab
http://seprepnet.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=4397.15;last_msg=27479
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This is a vry intresting Covid19 article.
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Supercomputer's Findings Suggest Why Patients Worsen, Get Range Of Symptoms
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By Cathy Burke | Sunday, 13 September 2020 01:23 PM
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The bizarre cascade of effects of the coronavirus may be due to the excessive production of a chemical that regulates blood pressure — throwing the body’s respiratory, gastrointestinal, and neurological pathways off-balance, a new study has found.
Researchers at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, using its supercomputers — one of which is the second-fastest in the world — analyzed lung fluid samples from nine coronavirus patients with severe cases in Wuhan, China, Business Insider reported.
The computers detected big differences in way the patients expressed certain genes relative to the way healthy people do. Based on those abnormalities, the researchers came up with a new theory: Patients with severe COVID-19 may experience what's known as a "bradykinin storm."
The blood pressure regulating chemical produced extreme excess and throws off major body systems, they found — a theory that aligns with researchers' growing view of the coronavirus as a vascular disease instead of a respiratory one, BI reported.
We were really scratching our heads for a while, how does this disease have this darn broad set of symptoms across lots of different organ systems?" Dr. Daniel Jacobson, the lead researcher behind the supercomputer study, told BI.
‘"As we looked at the effects of bradykinin, our model was that this virus can affect several different types of tissues, several different organs."
Scientists already know that the coronavirus binds to cell receptors called ACE2. That's how the virus sneaks into the body's upper respiratory tract, then infects organs like the lungs, heart, kidneys, or intestines.
But the supercomputers found coronavirus patients had a 200-fold increase in the expression of ACE2 relative to a healthy person, and an eight-fold decrease in the expression of ACE, a protein that normally works with ACE2 to keep blood pressure in check.
"This system that is normally very carefully balanced — COVID-19 really throws it out of whack," Jacobson told the news outlet.
The researchers believes the imbalance leads to the over-production of bradykinin, which swoops in to keep blood pressure from getting too high. In severe cases, the cycle seems to go into overdrive: The body can't stop producing bradykinin. This is what researchers call a "bradykinin storm." BI reported.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/coronavirus-supercomputer-bradykinin/2020/09/13/id/986691/
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Chinese Virologist Flees Communist Country…Claims She Has Evidence COVID-19 Was Manmade In Wuhan Lab
http://seprepnet.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=4397.15;last_msg=27479
SHOCKING: Twitter Shuts Down Account of Chinese Professor Who Has Evidence China Created the Coronavirus in a Lab
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/twitter-shuts-account-china-professor-yan-support-china-created-coronavirus-lab/
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Despite the spike in DC politicians testing positive for COVID-19, Georgia's case count has been dropping.
https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/georgias-covid-19-case-curve-as-of-september-28/93-337b5441-bc5f-4498-85d6-50342a1085eb
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There is nothing going on with covid but the media and gov will keep hyping it.
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There is nothing going on with covid but the media and gov will keep hyping it.
At least until after the election.
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WSB-TV is reporting that rapid test results for COVID-19 are not being included in the state of Georgia's cases counts. A public health microbiologist just said on air that cases are roughly 33% higher than have been reported! You are only reported as a probable case in a separate category.