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Prepping => Survival - Tips, Tools, and Tricks => Topic started by: Surveyor1 on July 23, 2021, 11:30:47 PM
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I had a meeting with 4 females that are fairly new to prepping. The had a lot of really good questions but there was one that they asked that kind of put a “Post Apocalyptic World” in perspective for them. They asked what was the one piece of advice that I could give them if they ended up in a “Post SHTF world”. (I’ve been prepping for a very long time)…. My advice to these women seemed to hit home and honestly probably scared them to a point! My advice was “If more than one assailants are bearing down on you do not use your last bullet trying to defend yourself, somethings are worse than death!” After a little more round table discussion, they completely understood and in all honesty I think that it truly changed their perspective….
I like to think that things could not get that bad but I’m also a realist that knows that even though a SHTF world may bring out the best in some, it will bring out the worst in many! Like I said “Somethings are worse than death, save that last round”!
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Yep! I agree.
So glad you are able to talk to some new preppers. I have officially quit trying to convince a few close friends at work about prepping. If they haven’t started by now, they won’t. I’m circling my wagons and doubling down.
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Yep! I agree.
So glad you are able to talk to some new preppers. I have officially quit trying to convince a few close friends at work about prepping. If they haven’t started by now, they won’t. I’m circling my wagons and doubling down.
Wise choices on your part. I’ve been paying attention for a long time now and just like The Rapture, no man can pinpoint the timing. That being said, we can pay attention to all of the signs being thrown at us of the coming troubles. Our economy is nothing but smoke and mirrors at this point being fueled by free fiat for the masses. The government is going all in on “controlling” us plebes. Not to mention the moral decay and deprivation that has been accelerating in our country at an alarming rate!
Just like you I’m circling my wagons and doubling down as well. I spend more time looking for holes in my preps than actually prepping these days. I hope the time never comes that I have to utilize my preps, but I’m truly afraid that the possibility of that occurring is becoming less likely with every passing day! God Speed my friends!
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Just curious.... What exactly is a "fate worse than death?" And what gives you the right to say that?
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Just curious.... What exactly is a "fate worse than death?" And what gives you the right to say that?
Well I was trying to be “polite” but if you really need me to spell it out….
Rape, torture, being a sex slave…. Being passed around by multiple degenerates as their sex slave…. Being violated by multiple strange men over and over again until they get tired of you! Men using objects to violate you for their amusement…. Need I say more? You ask what gives me the right to say that? I’m a husband, a father and a grandfather, that’s what gives me the right!!! I would much rather have my Loved ones put a bullet in their own brain than have to endure days, weeks or possibly months of that kind of abuse! I ask you Elandil, if you had a choice of the above atrocities which would you choose???
Do you actually think that anyone could keep their sanity after abuses like that over a period of time! I stand by my original statement, “Somethings are a fate worse than death!” If anyone else disagrees with me feel free to speak your peace….
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The way thing are now with all the perversion in the world today it might not only be the females that have to worry about that.
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The way thing are now with all the perversion in the world today it might not only be the females that have to worry about that.
True that Joebob! I’ve taught my wife and daughter that if anyone EVER tries to “take” them to fight for all they are worth and that goes for anyone being “taken”. Evil is all over this planet and if you ever allow yourself to be “taken” you are a slave to their depravity! I will not apologize for ever giving this type of advice. I see the results all the time in the news and it is never good for the victims! Even though I hold out the faith that there is good in our society , I am not naive enough to know that evil is not running rampant in our world! I repeat, “somethings are worse than death”…. If you choose not to believe that, fine that is your choice but I’ve taught the people in my life that I care about that they need to fight until there is no other option but don’t allow them to take you!!!
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Just curious.... What exactly is a "fate worse than death?" And what gives you the right to say that?
Well I was trying to be “polite” but if you really need me to spell it out….
Rape, torture, being a sex slave…. Being passed around by multiple degenerates as their sex slave…. Being violated by multiple strange men over and over again until they get tired of you! Men using objects to violate you for their amusement…. Need I say more? You ask what gives me the right to say that? I’m a husband, a father and a grandfather, that’s what gives me the right!!! I would much rather have my Loved ones put a bullet in their own brain than have to endure days, weeks or possibly months of that kind of abuse! I ask you Elandil, if you had a choice of the above atrocities which would you choose???
Do you actually think that anyone could keep their sanity after abuses like that over a period of time! I stand by my original statement, “Somethings are a fate worse than death!” If anyone else disagrees with me feel free to speak your peace….
But what gives you the right to make that choice for others? What makes you the expert at knowing what someone else can deal with?
Funny how not a single female on the board has chimed in....just guys.
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Just curious.... What exactly is a "fate worse than death?" And what gives you the right to say that?
Well I was trying to be “polite” but if you really need me to spell it out….
Rape, torture, being a sex slave…. Being passed around by multiple degenerates as their sex slave…. Being violated by multiple strange men over and over again until they get tired of you! Men using objects to violate you for their amusement…. Need I say more? You ask what gives me the right to say that? I’m a husband, a father and a grandfather, that’s what gives me the right!!! I would much rather have my Loved ones put a bullet in their own brain than have to endure days, weeks or possibly months of that kind of abuse! I ask you Elandil, if you had a choice of the above atrocities which would you choose???
Do you actually think that anyone could keep their sanity after abuses like that over a period of time! I stand by my original statement, “Somethings are a fate worse than death!” If anyone else disagrees with me feel free to speak your peace….
But what gives you the right to make that choice for others? What makes you the expert at knowing what someone else can deal with?
Funny how not a single female on the board has chimed in....just guys.
I give advice to people that I care about. They are free thinkers and can make their own decisions. Just like you are a free thinker and can make your own decisions. I gave them something to think about, advice from someone that has been on this planet for 60 years. I’ve seen the worst that this world has to offer and these women asked for advice from ME and I gave them my opinion…. I’m not forcing anyone to take my advice but it definitely gave them something to think about. Im kinda thinking that you might be a little slow at this point so I'm typing with one finger…. I am not making a “choice” for anyone! Im not deciding what anyone can deal with, I was asked a question and gave them my opinion, which they requested. Sorry you have a problem with that!
If you are okay with being gang raped, having broom handles put in all of your orfices over a long period of time and can “deal” with that then i’m fine with that! You are obviously stronger than anyone that I’ve ever met so kudos to you! Im not “telling” anyone what to do because I know that ALL of my friends are free thinkers and can come to their own conclusions! I’m just glad to know that someone one this board thinks that they are “strong” enough to “deal” with that type of abuse over a long period of time! You have my respect because of your strength and intestinal fortitude to live no matter what!
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Btw - I would welcome any other female preppers to give their opinion on this post. I’ve discussed this with my wife and daughter and they both whole heartedly agree with my assessment. Please remember that we are talking about a SHTF world with no rule of law. Your opinion as always is greatly appreciated!
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Actually, yes. You are telling people what to do. And the only thing worse than that is advocating for suicide. Which you are also doing.
There is never a good reason to suggest suicide as a way out. None. And if you think there is, I highly suggest finding a local therapist.
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Actually, yes. You are telling people what to do. And the only thing worse than that is advocating for suicide. Which you are also doing.
There is never a good reason to suggest suicide as a way out. None. And if you think there is, I highly suggest finding a local therapist.
Nope I’m actually providing them with a choice that they may not have considered. Lol I’ve been married long enough to know that I cannot “tell” anyone what to do. Some people may agree with this “way out” some people may not. Personally I think that it is up to the individual. I’m not a woman so I wouldn’t understand the horrors that a woman would go through repeatedly being gang raped over a period of time but I can imagine that the trauma would be great. My Loved ones agree with me on this and in all honesty those are the ones that I care about the most. You disagree with me on this and that is fine. Like I said earlier, my friends and family are free thinkers and can make their own decisions. Yes somethings are still worse than death.
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One female's viewpoint.
Surveyor: I'm pretty sure I know you so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I believe you THINK you are offering an opinion but it's coming across as nearly an order - that suicide for a woman is the only sensible option for any rational person. And that's condescending and offensive. The possibilities of what can happen if one is a captured slave is surely something EVERYONE should be made aware of but not (if I may suggest) as a sarcastic response just because someone might choose to live and fight another day.
One might even believe that suicide is a much a sin as murder.
It's not 'opinion' when you sarcastically attack anyone who disagrees with you.
Are you willing to put that bullet in your wife or daughter's head? Whether they want you to or not? That's not sarcastic or even meant as a challenge - seriously, have you thought about it? Because you are coming across as if that is the only option and you really don't have the right to make that decision for anyone. Let me say it another way: you say you are advocating for women to think about it but you've presented YOUR solution as the only way....and so strongly that if I were a woman in your family or group, I'd be more frightened of you.
You DO have the right to make people think about it, like bugging out or bugging in and when to do so, if ever, so kudos for making those women aware of the possibilities but presenting your 'advice' as your choice for YOU would have more impact. Instead of a man making a decision for a woman.
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Thank you for your reply Starlady. I agree with most of what you said other than “ordering them”. We had a very nice round table discussion after I gave my advice that was very thought provoking and enlightening. We discussed various scenarios of a SHTF world and this one area was a true concern for them when there is no longer any rule of law. I don’t really understand the “sarcastically attacking” but I will admit the typing with one finger was uncalled for and for that I apologize to Elandil! Other than that I thought I thought I made it clear I respected her opinion and her will to live no matter what.
I also have the same Biblical views of suicide as most Christians, just like I have the same views on killing. I truly hate suicide and in many cases I have thought that it was the cowards way out but in this situation, in a post SHTF world I would view it as an option just like I would consider killing someone that was trying to harm my family, not really Biblical to kill but there are many instances of taking out evil in the Bible.
This post was started to present an idea, an opinion or an option for a very very bad situation. I didn’t want it to become so graphic but Elandil asked. Like I’ve said in other post, it is each persons choice on what to do in any given situation in a post SHTF world. To answer another question, yes I have thought about this and no I’m not willing to put a bullet in my wife or daughter, that would not be their choice. In that situation though they would also know that there is someone that would move Heaven and earth to get them back so there is still hope.
Every situation is different for every person. I’m very sorry if it came across as ordering anyone to do anything other than to make their own choices. I re-read the post and even had my spouse read the post and I can’t really see that? I ask you to go back and read the original post on the thread and tell me if that was written in a way that I was imposing my will on anyone or simple presenting an option that maybe had not been thought of before?
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A wise man attacks the problem. A narcissist attacks the questioner.
Thank you for clarification on what you are.
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A wise man attacks the problem. A narcissist attacks the questioner.
Thank you for clarification on what you are.
Not really sure where that came from but I guess you are free to have your opinion. Other than one snide remark that I have since apologized for I simply cannot see how you were “attacked”? You don’t like what my opinion or advice was and that’s fine, as I’ve already stated. If you could possibly go back and read the previous posts objectively you actually might have a different opinion on who was attacking whom.
I guess that we just need to agree to disagree and move on. I’m actually glad when people respond to my post, whether they agree with my opinion or not. It creates a dialogue that many people can read and create their own opinions of the subject matter so at least it gets people thinking.
I consider this thread a success based on the number of times that it has been read, it gave a lot of people something to ponder. Thank you Elandil for responding!
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I would say, save a bullet. I trust my savior would understand if I were ever forced to make that decision. I would probably be used to work in the garden, ha!
Seriously, years ago, I had a home invasion. According to our security company, two men came into our home and were headed toward my bedroom. I rolled out of bed, crawled into my closet, and had a good aim at the bedroom door. I watched the door nob turn. This was real. We were in the country, no one was coming to help me any time soon. Since I was armed, and it was peacetime, I was able to clear them out quickly. I never saw their faces. This experience will stay with me for life. I was not injured. What happens to us physiologically if this event goes to the next level? Some on here know the answer to that. The choice is ours. The consequences of our decisions, again.....ours. Survivor 1 brought up a very emotional topic. I didn't feel offended by it as others here did. Maybe it is the age difference. I didn't feel like he was trying to make decisions for anyone. Praying that we never have to live through this scenario. Whatever call we make does not make us more or less brave than the next person.
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Thank you for responding Abigayle and sharing your experiences. I knew when I posted that people would have different views and the post was intended to provoke thought and conversation. As you have personally experienced it, evil abounds in this world. Thinking about situations and coming to some conclusions of how to handle them can be very beneficial than just having to make a decision in “the heat of the battle.”
We prep to survive in a SHTF world by putting away food, learning new skills and making sure we can defend our friends and families. If the world goes sideways and you make it, there will be many times that you will have to make some very tough and frankly uncomfortable decisions. Now is the time to think outside the box and contemplate what your decisions will be in those most unfortunate of situations.
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I was given a lot of grief by some when I posted originally. Today I read a heartbreaking story about a man who lost his 8 year old daughter that was murdered by Hamas in Israel. I’m not going to paraphrase what he said and felt but it truly puts into perspective what I was conveying in my original post so I’ve attached the link to the story. Yes some things are worse than death and this story, as told by a father, truly places that statement into perspective…
https://www.theblaze.com/news/irishman-says-he-was-grateful-to-learn-his-daughter-had-been-killed-by-hamas-rather-than-taken-hostage
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There's a huge difference between a child who has absolutely no chance of ever fighting back and a WOMAN, who might.
I ask this of all of you who advocate this view: would you give the same advice to your sons facing the same situation? Would you put a bullet in your own head if YOU were?
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There's a huge difference between a child who has absolutely no chance of ever fighting back and a WOMAN, who might.
I ask this of all of you who advocate this view: would you give the same advice to your sons facing the same situation? Would you put a bullet in your own head if YOU were?
Simple answer for me and my son (we’ve discussed that scenario). No I would not put a bullet in my own head but they would not be taking me alive. I would use that last bullet on them and fight whoever was left with my knife but under no circumstance would I allow them to take me alive. If you feel like you can fight back against a gang of degenerates when there is no rule of law, then by all means that is your right and a very brave decision on your part!
I’m just grateful that all of the women in my family know that under no circumstance do you allow someone to take them and will not comply! Everyone of them agreed that there is no way they would ever want to be brutalized for perpetuity. They understand the concept of no rule of law and that there is evil abound everywhere. They understand that even if they are somehow able to escape that the atrocities that were done to them over a period of time will never heal and haunt them forever. They all agree that they would rather die than have to live through those horrors at the hands of a group with no morals, compassion and evil.
If any woman feels that they can live through something like that and can be ok, it is their choice and only their choice. Yes there are truly things that are worse than death in this world…
*Forgot to add: how many of the Israeli women and young girls that were brutally raped by Hamas and then paraded through Gaza with their pelvic areas covered in blood would have chosen death instead, if they were given a choice???
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LOL, of COURSE you wouldn't put a bullet in your own head.
But if you use your last bullet on THEM, do you think your body parts would hurt any less than my body parts? I'm thinking of the Libyan ambassador a few years ago. No, dude, if you don't have the guts to follow your own advice, you have no business saying what others should do.
If you do, then I could respect your opinion.
As to this: "how many of the Israeli women and young girls that were brutally raped by Hamas and then paraded through Gaza with their pelvic areas covered in blood would have chosen death instead, if they were given a choice???"
1) 'brutally' raped is an insult - is there a 'gentle' rape?
2) to answer your question, I doubt very many. Can't imagine after 70 years that there isn't a Jewish woman in Israel who doesn't know of that possibility and yet, none of them killed themselves - including SOLDIERS who definitely had access to weapons.
3) Did the young woman on the motorcycle (from the music festival slaughter) yell 'don't rape me!"? No, she yelled 'please don't kill me'. Think about that.
4) How many African slave women who were 'brutally' raped by their 'owners' killed themselves? Very few, because they wanted a chance to live, to maybe escape, to maybe murder the bastard in his sleep, etc.
I feel sorry that you've convinced your women they aren't strong enough as people to know that rape/beating/slavery, etc., would be something that they could probably recover from. WTH? Women have been dealing with that shit for, well, as long as there have been men and women. Pardon my French.
My only point is that a MAN has no business telling a WOMAN that HE thinks HER death is preferable to rape/slavery/whatever (along with that chance to maybe get her own back someday), or that there are things worse than death. And that's what you did here, maybe not intentionally but it is what it is. You can imagine all you want about how horrible it would be, but you haven't lived with it as a possibility for thousands of years and you totally discount the human will to live and triumph over severe adversity. And that is insulting and anachronistic.
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Starlady, I have no problem with most of your comment. The only area that you seem very confused about is that I am “telling” people what to do and you my friend are very wrong with that assumption. If you care to read all of my post on this subject you may realize that I have simply provided an option that people may not have thought about regarding a horrendous situation. It’s up to the individual to make their own choice and that has been conveyed. I also think that we may have a difference of opinion on “no rule of law” and the sheer brutality that a group of evil degenerates could inflict on a woman (or a man). Like I’ve said before we just need to agree to disagree. Everyone can make their own choices in a SHTF world as it should be. I like to make people think and explore all options BEFORE they happen.
Btw - maybe I wasn’t clear enough when I said they would not take me alive??? If I can take a few more of these evil people to the gates of hell before they kill me OR I KILL MYSELF, that is my choice because they will not be taking me with them alive. Yes I stand by my statement “Some things are worse than death!”
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I had to look up anachronistic so I could understand what you were referring to. Thanks I learned something today! Speaking of anachronistic that brings up a very interesting thought process. When this subject was posted it wasn’t referencing todays world, it was referencing a SHTF world. Those are 2 completely different era’s in time. One can look up stories of people in todays world that have survived being kidnapped and raped. In my opinion, in a SHTF world if a group of evil men kill everyone in your group and take you for their “toy” your chance for survival will be zero. I can agree that any rape is brutal but brutality has many different levels. I think 10 degenerates raping a woman repeatedly over a period of time is about as bad as it can get. I think the broom handle they use for penetration just for their own sick morbid jollies is about as bad as it can get. Btw, yes we are talking about a SHTF world so how much of their precious food are they going to be sharing with their new “toy”? That in itself will give their new “toy” a maximum of 3 weeks before starving to death but I don’t think it will take that long.
We are preppers so we have to prepare for all scenarios and be willing to make difficult choices that will bend our humanity in order to survive. Sticking one’s head in the sand and thinking that things will not be as bad as outlined above is at best wishful thinking. Look at the evil in this world today and that evil is kept somewhat in check because of the rule of law. Once there are no more restraints on the evil people anything and everything is possible. How long will it be before these types start killing people to eat? Cannibalism has been around a long time and sick people will do sick things and in a SHTF world there will be more of it. To prepare for what is coming involves much more than simply homesteading, it will not be Little House On The Prairie. Hard decisions will have to be made and if one truly wants to survive in a SHTF world now is the time to realize that for what is truly coming.
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"A distraught father says he was ‘relieved’ to hear that his missing eight-year-old daughter had been killed by Hamas, because being kidnapped by the group was a fate ‘worse than death’."
That man was Thomas Hand. He found out 2 weeks ago that she was alive and a hostage. He changed his tune pretty quickly. Emily had her 9th birthday during her captivity. TODAY SHE CAME HOME!
I pray to God she never knows what her father said.